Replacement for Nokia M1122

[jonoco]

Nokia M1122 is still the best router IMHO, industrial strength beast never
needs to be reset, does its job months on end. Nokia unfortunately withdrew
from the ADSL market, and the M1122 still sits at a high price, and will
probably go higher as they become more and more rare. Just remember to get
the latest firmware for it.

http://www.gbtech.co.nz/groupdisplay.php?groups=12 still lists them though,
don't know anything about this company or if they still have them in stock,
just a link that came to me today, and thought it might help :)

Jono



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Subject: Replacement for Nokia M1122

HI all.

Our office in Wellywood wants to install ADSL. We currently have a Nokia
M1122 here in Auckland and that's what they want. However this is no
longer available (??)

What is the current equivalent to this router?? The criteria is that it
can be pin holed for VOIP in the future..

Thanx in advance..



Paul Warner

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[Simon Byrnand]

Post by jonoco
Nokia M1122 is still the best router IMHO, industrial strength beast never
needs to be reset, does its job months on end. Nokia unfortunately withdrew
from the ADSL market, and the M1122 still sits at a high price, and will
probably go higher as they become more and more rare. Just remember to get
the latest firmware for it.
http://www.gbtech.co.nz/groupdisplay.php?groups=12 still lists them though,
don't know anything about this company or if they still have them in stock,
just a link that came to me today, and thought it might help :)
Jono

The M1122 was a bit overrated in my opinion (yes I used one for a long time
at a previous employer) it was always an expensive beast and had a few
annoying firmware bugs that never got fixed before Nokia dropped support
for it. (Like crashing when changing PAP username/password if you had any
pinholes configured - go figure!)

Contraray to your experience of them, I found they also had a habit of
needing a reboot every month or two or strange things would start
happening. (Pretty common among ADSL routers admitedly, very few will run
indefinately without a reboot, without experiencing some niggles or
outright crashes) They can also sometimes lose their firmware after a power
cut and need a recovery process using a serial cable to get them going again.

Not a good choice these days when you can get something like an Alcatel
Speedtouch 530 so cheaply, which IMHO is a far superior unit. I have a
Speedtouch 510v4 at home (same as the 530 but only ethernet instead of
ethernet/usb combo) and I can't praise it enough. It has simply never given
any problems. I leave it running 24/7 and it runs for months on end without
dropping the connection or giving any problems. I havn't even logged into
it's http interface for a couple of months. Admitedly I installed the
latest updated firmware that was available at the time I bought it, so I
can't speak for the original firmware.

Apart from being reliable one feature it has over most other consumer level
Jetstream routers (eg not counting the likes of Cisco) is that you can
change just about ANYTHING without a reboot. In fact there is no reboot
option anywhere in the http user interface, just a "save all" that saves
any recent changes.

That alone gives it high marks in my book - I *HATE* routers that require
you to save settings and reboot to activate a trivial change like a new
port forwarding entry. Not so bad if you're the only user, but if you have
a router providing connectivity to an entire office, a reboot (and 2 or 3
minute downtime) to change one little setting isn't too funny...especially
if you have a VPN connection going over it that will drop when the link
goes down.

As for the VOIP, what ports/protocol's does that use ? Although the http
GUI can only map TCP/UDP, I'm pretty sure that there is extensive support
in the CLI (which is quite well documented, unlike the CLI in the Nokia,
which is undocumented) for mapping other protocol's like GRE etc.

Regards,
Simon

Post by jonoco
-----Original Message-----
Of Paul Warner
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:22 a.m.
Subject: Replacement for Nokia M1122
HI all.
Our office in Wellywood wants to install ADSL. We currently have a Nokia
M1122 here in Auckland and that's what they want. However this is no
longer available (??)
What is the current equivalent to this router?? The criteria is that it
can be pin holed for VOIP in the future..
Thanx in advance..
Paul Warner

[Biff]

I've had the STPro 510 for 3-4 years, its been rebooted 3 times from memory,
one of those was for a bandwidth change, other than that she's been sweet.
No firmware upgrades as none have been required, and I do work to the "if it
aint broke, don't fix it" doctrine, so I'm happy.
And ya cant complain about the price.
Cheers
Biff


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From: "Simon Byrnand" <***@igrin.co.nz>
To: "jonoco" <***@i4free.co.nz>; "'Paul Warner'"
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Replacement for Nokia M1122

Post by Simon Byrnand

Post by jonoco
Nokia M1122 is still the best router IMHO, industrial strength beast never
needs to be reset, does its job months on end. Nokia unfortunately withdrew
from the ADSL market, and the M1122 still sits at a high price, and will
probably go higher as they become more and more rare. Just remember to get
the latest firmware for it.
http://www.gbtech.co.nz/groupdisplay.php?groups=12 still lists them though,
don't know anything about this company or if they still have them in stock,
just a link that came to me today, and thought it might help :)
Jono

The M1122 was a bit overrated in my opinion (yes I used one for a long
time at a previous employer) it was always an expensive beast and had a
few annoying firmware bugs that never got fixed before Nokia dropped
support for it. (Like crashing when changing PAP username/password if you
had any pinholes configured - go figure!)
Contraray to your experience of them, I found they also had a habit of
needing a reboot every month or two or strange things would start
happening. (Pretty common among ADSL routers admitedly, very few will run
indefinately without a reboot, without experiencing some niggles or
outright crashes) They can also sometimes lose their firmware after a
power cut and need a recovery process using a serial cable to get them
going again.
Not a good choice these days when you can get something like an Alcatel
Speedtouch 530 so cheaply, which IMHO is a far superior unit. I have a
Speedtouch 510v4 at home (same as the 530 but only ethernet instead of
ethernet/usb combo) and I can't praise it enough. It has simply never
given any problems. I leave it running 24/7 and it runs for months on end
without dropping the connection or giving any problems. I havn't even
logged into it's http interface for a couple of months. Admitedly I
installed the latest updated firmware that was available at the time I
bought it, so I can't speak for the original firmware.
Apart from being reliable one feature it has over most other consumer
level Jetstream routers (eg not counting the likes of Cisco) is that you
can change just about ANYTHING without a reboot. In fact there is no
reboot option anywhere in the http user interface, just a "save all" that
saves any recent changes.
That alone gives it high marks in my book - I *HATE* routers that require
you to save settings and reboot to activate a trivial change like a new
port forwarding entry. Not so bad if you're the only user, but if you have
a router providing connectivity to an entire office, a reboot (and 2 or 3
minute downtime) to change one little setting isn't too funny...especially
if you have a VPN connection going over it that will drop when the link
goes down.
As for the VOIP, what ports/protocol's does that use ? Although the http
GUI can only map TCP/UDP, I'm pretty sure that there is extensive support
in the CLI (which is quite well documented, unlike the CLI in the Nokia,
which is undocumented) for mapping other protocol's like GRE etc.
Regards,
Simon

Post by jonoco
-----Original Message-----
Of Paul Warner
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2004 10:22 a.m.
Subject: Replacement for Nokia M1122
HI all.
Our office in Wellywood wants to install ADSL. We currently have a Nokia
M1122 here in Auckland and that's what they want. However this is no
longer available (??)
What is the current equivalent to this router?? The criteria is that it
can be pin holed for VOIP in the future..
Thanx in advance..
Paul Warner

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[LEE Tet Yoon]

The M1122 was a bit overrated in my opinion (yes I used one for a long time at a previous employer) it was always an expensive beast and had a few annoying firmware bugs that never got fixed before Nokia dropped support for it. (Like crashing when changing PAP username/password if you had any pinholes configured - go figure!)
Contraray to your experience of them, I found they also had a habit of needing a reboot every month or two or strange things would start happening. (Pretty common among ADSL routers admitedly, very few will run indefinately without a reboot, without experiencing some niggles or outright crashes) They can also sometimes lose their firmware after a power cut and need a recovery process using a serial cable to get them going again.
Not a good choice these days when you can get something like an Alcatel Speedtouch 530 so cheaply, which IMHO is a far superior unit. I have a Speedtouch 510v4 at home (same as the 530 but only ethernet instead of ethernet/usb combo) and I can't praise it enough. It has simply never given any problems. I leave it running 24/7 and it runs for months on end without dropping the connection or giving any problems. I havn't even logged into it's http interface for a couple of months. Admitedly I installed the latest updated firmware that was available at the time I bought it, so I can't speak for the original firmware.

On thing I'd like to know... One of the much touted features of the M1122 is that it's supposed to be very good at poor line conditions, maintaining a stable connection and a faster one at that (not that this will matter for most given that we can only get 256/128k at a decent price).

Anyone had an experience on how the Speedtouch series stacks up in this regards compared to the M1122 and as well as other consumer level (i.e. not talking about Cisco) modems/routers out there? For that matter, how does the M1122 itself stack up, especially nowadays since it's been a while since it's had any firmware updates whereas some like DSE have been updated to better support NZ line conditions and Dslams


One thing I might mention in support of the Alcatel SpeedTouch series, they are supported in NZ by Connectplay (www.connectplay.co.nz although www.dslsupport.co.nz seems better updated) who have a toll free number and also monitor this list I believe (one of the few/only? besides DSE).

[Simon Byrnand]

Post by LEE Tet Yoon
On thing I'd like to know... One of the much touted features of the M1122
is that it's supposed to be very good at poor line conditions, maintaining
a stable connection and a faster one at that (not that this will matter
for most given that we can only get 256/128k at a decent price).
Anyone had an experience on how the Speedtouch series stacks up in this
regards compared to the M1122 and as well as other consumer level (i.e.
not talking about Cisco) modems/routers out there? For that matter, how
does the M1122 itself stack up, especially nowadays since it's been a
while since it's had any firmware updates whereas some like DSE have been
updated to better support NZ line conditions and Dslams

When I got Jetstream Surf installed earlier this year I borrowed an M1122
for a week before getting the Speedtouch. In that time the M1122 didn't
drop the line once, but I did reboot it a few times playing around with
configuration changes...so the maximum uptime probably wasn't more than a
couple of days during the time I was borrowing it because of that.

The average downstream speed I got was about 6400Kbit, upstream I don't
remember. When I changed to the Speedtouch I remember noticing the
downstream speed increased to about 7600Kbit, and the upstream speed went
up a little bit. I think I've had a total of maybe 3 line drops since
Jetstream Surf came out (March ?) so thats about 5 months.

I guess I must have a pretty good line to get 7600Kbit so I can't really
speak for reliability under poor line conditions, but comments from others
in the past have suggested they're better than average there...Perhaps
someone on a marginal line will pipe up with some results :)

Regards,
Simon

Post by LEE Tet Yoon
One thing I might mention in support of the Alcatel SpeedTouch series,
they are supported in NZ by Connectplay (www.connectplay.co.nz although
www.dslsupport.co.nz seems better updated) who have a toll free number and
also monitor this list I believe (one of the few/only? besides DSE).
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[Steve Lang]

<>[...]
Anyone had an experience on how the Speedtouch series stacks up in
this regards compared to the M1122 and as well as other consumer level
(i.e. not talking about Cisco) modems/routers out there? For that
matter, how does the M1122 itself stack up, especially nowadays since
it's been a while since it's had any firmware updates whereas some
like DSE have been updated to better support NZ line conditions and Dslams
One thing I might mention in support of the Alcatel SpeedTouch series,
they are supported in NZ by Connectplay (www.connectplay.co.nz
although www.dslsupport.co.nz seems better updated) who have a toll
free number and also monitor this list I believe (one of the few/only?
besides DSE).

Not sure about the M1122, been a long time since I used one. However,
the Alcatel SpeedTouch Pro is an interesting beast.... Intel i960
processor, and seems to have very good stability as far as I can tell.
(Anyone ported Linux/IPTables to this???)

On the negative side.... the NAT/PAT/NAPT table can apparantly only
handle a total of 256 translations (version Gv8bab3.281, and I think
3.27something). When it gets above this, it tends to drop connections
from it's table. This happens frequently if you're running a dns server
inside, and it's chatting away with root/other nameservers. You end up
with heaps of open UDP connections that the STPro holds open for a long
time, filling up the table. I haven't found a way to specify a smaller
timeout either...

MOST annoying, and possibly similar behaviour with other similar
architecture models as well.

I don't get this behaviour when using it in pptp-relay mode.

[s***@spl.co.nz]

Hiya.
[...]

On the negative side.... the NAT/PAT/NAPT table can apparantly only handle
a total of 256 translations (version Gv8bab3.281, and I think
3.27something). When it gets above this, it tends to drop connections from
it's table. This happens frequently if you're running a dns server inside,
and it's chatting away with root/other nameservers. You end up with heaps
of open UDP connections that the STPro holds open for a long time, filling
up the table. I haven't found a way to specify a smaller timeout either...

Probably not applicable to the Speedtouch 510v4 or 530 being discussed,
which are both much later models (by several years) than the old Speedtouch
Pro's.

Yeah, I would've thought so. I experimented with the 510 frimware on my STPro,
but went straight back so can't confirm either way.

I havn't run into any problems like that with the 510v4, and the NAT
timeouts are adjustable from the CLI, which I've done on mine... (I bumped
the TCP timeout up from 30 minutes to 2 hours for instance)

Interesting... What are the commands on the 510 to do this?

Cheers -

[Simon Byrnand]

Post by s***@spl.co.nz
Yeah, I would've thought so. I experimented with the 510 frimware on my STPro,
but went straight back so can't confirm either way.

There are some differences between the 510 and 510v4 too btw, and
physically they're quite different.

Post by s***@spl.co.nz

I havn't run into any problems like that with the 510v4, and the NAT
timeouts are adjustable from the CLI, which I've done on mine... (I bumped
the TCP timeout up from 30 minutes to 2 hours for instance)

Interesting... What are the commands on the 510 to do this?

I've only got a copy of the PDF manual for the CLI handy (the router is at
home) but its under the nat config command, there are a number of them:

nat config timeout_ICMP
nat config timeout_UDP
nat config timeout_TCP
nat config timeout_TCP_nego
nat config timeout_other

The only hassle I remember is that the syntax for entering values greater
than one hour is slightly broken - from memory, the manual indicates that
you should be able to enter it in hours:minutes or minutes format, but any
value greater than one hour MUST be entered in hours and minutes, eg you
had to put 2:0 for two hours, 120 wouldn't work even though 30 (for 30
minutes) would :) Took me a little while batting my head against a wall to
twig onto that...

Regards,
Simon

[Steve Lang]

Post by Simon Byrnand
[...]
I've only got a copy of the PDF manual for the CLI handy (the router
is at home) but its under the nat config command, there are a number
nat config timeout_ICMP
nat config timeout_UDP
nat config timeout_TCP
nat config timeout_TCP_nego
nat config timeout_other
The only hassle I remember is that the syntax for entering values
greater than one hour is slightly broken - from memory, the manual
indicates that you should be able to enter it in hours:minutes or
minutes format, but any value greater than one hour MUST be entered in
hours and minutes, eg you had to put 2:0 for two hours, 120 wouldn't
work even though 30 (for 30 minutes) would :) Took me a little while
batting my head against a wall to twig onto that...

Thanx for that. As suspected, don't have them on the STPro.... Anyone
ported Linux to it???

Cheers -

[Simon Byrnand]

<>[...]
Anyone had an experience on how the Speedtouch series stacks up in this
regards compared to the M1122 and as well as other consumer level (i.e.
not talking about Cisco) modems/routers out there? For that matter, how
does the M1122 itself stack up, especially nowadays since it's been a
while since it's had any firmware updates whereas some like DSE have been
updated to better support NZ line conditions and Dslams
One thing I might mention in support of the Alcatel SpeedTouch series,
they are supported in NZ by Connectplay (www.connectplay.co.nz although
www.dslsupport.co.nz seems better updated) who have a toll free number
and also monitor this list I believe (one of the few/only? besides DSE).

Not sure about the M1122, been a long time since I used one. However, the
Alcatel SpeedTouch Pro is an interesting beast.... Intel i960 processor,
and seems to have very good stability as far as I can tell. (Anyone ported
Linux/IPTables to this???)
On the negative side.... the NAT/PAT/NAPT table can apparantly only handle
a total of 256 translations (version Gv8bab3.281, and I think
3.27something). When it gets above this, it tends to drop connections from
it's table. This happens frequently if you're running a dns server inside,
and it's chatting away with root/other nameservers. You end up with heaps
of open UDP connections that the STPro holds open for a long time, filling
up the table. I haven't found a way to specify a smaller timeout either...

Probably not applicable to the Speedtouch 510v4 or 530 being discussed,
which are both much later models (by several years) than the old Speedtouch
Pro's.

I havn't run into any problems like that with the 510v4, and the NAT
timeouts are adjustable from the CLI, which I've done on mine... (I bumped
the TCP timeout up from 30 minutes to 2 hours for instance)

Regards,
Simon

[jonoco]

Post by Simon Byrnand
The M1122 was a bit overrated in my opinion (yes I used one for a long time
at a previous employer) it was always an expensive beast and had a few
annoying firmware bugs that never got fixed before Nokia dropped support
for it. (Like crashing when changing PAP username/password if you had any
pinholes configured - go figure!)

Just for reference, the firmware has been upgraded to SW appl. version:
Gx1x2230.R04 which has addressed the above concerns. But as Simon said,
Nokia no longer supports its ADSL products, which is a huge shame. I would
have loved to have seen what could have come from Nokia as the years
progressed in terms of ADSL routers considering the Nokia M1122 is so many
years old and I still believe it's in the top routers available, and as with
the Alcatel Speedtouch 530 its reliability is solid, you also don't need to
reset it on setting changes.

I haven't used any other routers at home other than my M1122 for about 5
years now, so I might be a little bias. I have however had problems with
other people's routers that need resetting constantly, or simply stop
working, or have cumbersome interfaces. I just feel the M1122 has some years
in it yet :) I've been keeping an eye out for a better router, but nothing
has struck me yet. Down side to the M1122 is that if your DHCP changes your
IP address, you have some work to do if you do a lot of pinholing, changing
each pinhole separately.

[LEE Tet Yoon]

Post by LEE Tet Yoon
One thing I might mention in support of the Alcatel SpeedTouch series, they are supported in NZ by Connectplay (www.connectplay.co.nz although www.dslsupport.co.nz seems better updated) who have a toll free number and also monitor this list I believe (one of the few/only? besides DSE).

Or were...... after posting this I suddenly remembered and a quick check confirmed they were on of the ones who has a mail loop last month. They were removed and I don't know if they made it back. If they did, give us a quick yell (and apologies might be in order)