Telecom makes change to Jetstream

[Juha Saarinen]

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/18AE8FEF82917849CC256FB300126077

In case you've not seen it already.

[Gmail]

Post by Juha Saarinen
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/18AE8FEF82917849CC256FB300126077

So my $69.96 service will drop down to $59.95. I suppose $10 isn't too
bad for the reduction in upload speed. Still, I would have preferred to
have had the option to keep it.

Of course, if this is a sign that the Commerce Commission is getting
tough with Telecom then I'm all for that. Its just a pity that we, the
consumer, have to suffer Telecom's solution approach. I doubt that it is
by accident that we are having our service reduced in order that Telecom
may make a "point" with the Commerce Commission. I suspect the change
has been engineered so that Telecom may claim that they were "forced" to
degrade our service by the CC.

The correct solution (if such a thing exists) would have been to upgrade
UBS but, Telecom doesn't really want a UBS business no matter how much
revenue it will bring in. I guess they think those people purchasing UBS
are somehow preventing them from making a decent crust.

I hope the CC gets tougher with Telecom. Their pricing compared to what
you can buy in OZ is ridiculous. My current plan cost me $6.99/GB
whereas a (better) plan in OZ [14GB peak + 14GB off-peak,
1.5Mbps/512kbps, static IP] costs around $3/GB. What Telecom is
currently offering is a fraction of what we could get with a far more
deregulated market.

Local-Loop-Unbundling anyone?

[ADSL-List - Sam]

I think you may have mis-read that...

"Pricing for the plans will be the same as the existing ones: $34.95 per
month for the Discover and $59.95 for Adventure and Navigate. Customers who
do not put their toll calls through Telecom will pay a $10 a month feee on
top of those prices."

Meaning that it will basically be the same pricing as it is now...

Sam.

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Post by Juha Saarinen
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/18AE8FEF82917849CC256FB300126077

So my $69.96 service will drop down to $59.95. I suppose $10 isn't too
bad for the reduction in upload speed. Still, I would have preferred to
have had the option to keep it.

Of course, if this is a sign that the Commerce Commission is getting
tough with Telecom then I'm all for that. Its just a pity that we, the
consumer, have to suffer Telecom's solution approach. I doubt that it is
by accident that we are having our service reduced in order that Telecom
may make a "point" with the Commerce Commission. I suspect the change
has been engineered so that Telecom may claim that they were "forced" to
degrade our service by the CC.

The correct solution (if such a thing exists) would have been to upgrade
UBS but, Telecom doesn't really want a UBS business no matter how much
revenue it will bring in. I guess they think those people purchasing UBS
are somehow preventing them from making a decent crust.

I hope the CC gets tougher with Telecom. Their pricing compared to what
you can buy in OZ is ridiculous. My current plan cost me $6.99/GB
whereas a (better) plan in OZ [14GB peak + 14GB off-peak,
1.5Mbps/512kbps, static IP] costs around $3/GB. What Telecom is
currently offering is a fraction of what we could get with a far more
deregulated market.

Local-Loop-Unbundling anyone?

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[Gmail]

Well, my toll calls are with Telecom and I am currently paying $69.95. I
am on the Xtra Jetstream Plus plan; the price would be $79.95 a month if
my tolls were with someone else. It would appear from the article that
my plan will be replaced with the Adventure plan. So in exchange for a
slower upload speed, I get $10 back.

Post by ADSL-List - Sam
I think you may have mis-read that...
"Pricing for the plans will be the same as the existing ones: $34.95 per
month for the Discover and $59.95 for Adventure and Navigate. Customers who
do not put their toll calls through Telecom will pay a $10 a month feee on
top of those prices."
Meaning that it will basically be the same pricing as it is now...
Sam.
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Post by Juha Saarinen
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/UNID/18AE8FEF82917849CC256FB300126077

So my $69.96 service will drop down to $59.95. I suppose $10 isn't too
bad for the reduction in upload speed. Still, I would have preferred to
have had the option to keep it.
Of course, if this is a sign that the Commerce Commission is getting
tough with Telecom then I'm all for that. Its just a pity that we, the
consumer, have to suffer Telecom's solution approach. I doubt that it is
by accident that we are having our service reduced in order that Telecom
may make a "point" with the Commerce Commission. I suspect the change
has been engineered so that Telecom may claim that they were "forced" to
degrade our service by the CC.
The correct solution (if such a thing exists) would have been to upgrade
UBS but, Telecom doesn't really want a UBS business no matter how much
revenue it will bring in. I guess they think those people purchasing UBS
are somehow preventing them from making a decent crust.
I hope the CC gets tougher with Telecom. Their pricing compared to what
you can buy in OZ is ridiculous. My current plan cost me $6.99/GB
whereas a (better) plan in OZ [14GB peak + 14GB off-peak,
1.5Mbps/512kbps, static IP] costs around $3/GB. What Telecom is
currently offering is a fraction of what we could get with a far more
deregulated market.
Local-Loop-Unbundling anyone?
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[Phil]

Post by Gmail
I hope the CC gets tougher with Telecom. Their pricing compared to what
you can buy in OZ is ridiculous. My current plan cost me $6.99/GB
whereas a (better) plan in OZ [14GB peak + 14GB off-peak,
1.5Mbps/512kbps, static IP] costs around $3/GB. What Telecom is
currently offering is a fraction of what we could get with a far more
deregulated market.

Try getting Telecom to see that. According to them, their range of
plans and pricing is on par with the rest of the world (which would be
the 3rd world).

-Phil

[LEE Tet Yoon]

Post by Phil
Try getting Telecom to see that. According to them, their range of
plans and pricing is on par with the rest of the world (which would be
the 3rd world).

Actually, a significant part of the third world has much better pricing (and speeds too), although service quality and availability may not be as good. Of course, average incomes there are much lower so it may still not be that affordable for some people but strictly comparing pricing and speed NZ rarely comes out on top.

Post by Phil
You're paying $10 to Xtra and $59.95 to Telecom, all bundled up in a
neat little pacakge.
Customers of non-Xtra isps will also pay $59.95 to Telecom, and whatever
their ISP charges (most charge $10) to their ISP.

Yes that's correct. However I would suggest anyone using JetStream consider Ihug blink. The 2mbit package is basically the same as Telecom JS (altho only 128k upload) but only $59.95 all up provided you use Ihug tolls. I had thought original this was just a wholesale JS plan but as the price shows, this is not correct. In fact, as I posted a few days ago, Telecom reached an agreement with Ihug to give them a layer 3 service up to 2mbit in exchange for dropping their complaint to the CC (this was all way back in December) which is what blink must be.

Alternatively, just wait a month or so since as the earlier article also mentioned, UBS 2mbit is on track to be launched in March with trials beginning early March. One would assume that would imply we 2mbit UBS would be widely available end of March (or maybe from beginning of April). I'm not expecting miracles, I doubt we'll see Aussie pricings although I do think we'll see a lot better high speed plans then we see now.

[Ben]

You're paying $10 to Xtra and $59.95 to Telecom, all bundled up in a
neat little pacakge.
Customers of non-Xtra isps will also pay $59.95 to Telecom, and whatever
their ISP charges (most charge $10) to their ISP.

Post by Gmail
Well, my toll calls are with Telecom and I am currently paying
$69.95. I am on the Xtra Jetstream Plus plan; the price would be
$79.95 a month if my tolls were with someone else. It would appear
from the article that my plan will be replaced with the Adventure
plan. So in exchange for a slower upload speed, I get $10 back.

Post by ADSL-List - Sam
I think you may have mis-read that...
"Pricing for the plans will be the same as the existing ones: $34.95
per month for the Discover and $59.95 for Adventure and Navigate.
Customers who do not put their toll calls through Telecom will pay a
$10 a month feee on top of those prices."
Meaning that it will basically be the same pricing as it is now...
Sam.
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Post by ADSL-List - Sam

077

So my $69.96 service will drop down to $59.95. I suppose $10 isn't
too bad for the reduction in upload speed. Still, I would have
preferred to have had the option to keep it.
Of course, if this is a sign that the Commerce Commission is getting
tough with Telecom then I'm all for that. Its just a pity that we,
the consumer, have to suffer Telecom's solution approach. I doubt
that it is by accident that we are having our service reduced in
order that Telecom may make a "point" with the Commerce Commission.
I suspect the change has been engineered so that Telecom may claim
that they were "forced" to degrade our service by the CC.
The correct solution (if such a thing exists) would have been to
upgrade UBS but, Telecom doesn't really want a UBS business no matter
how much revenue it will bring in. I guess they think those people
purchasing UBS are somehow preventing them from making a decent
crust.
I hope the CC gets tougher with Telecom. Their pricing compared to
what you can buy in OZ is ridiculous. My current plan cost me
$6.99/GB whereas a (better) plan in OZ [14GB peak + 14GB off-peak,
1.5Mbps/512kbps, static IP] costs around $3/GB. What Telecom is
currently offering is a fraction of what we could get with a far
more deregulated market.
Local-Loop-Unbundling anyone?
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