Discussion:
New Zealand Patent Act... Say no to software patents! Public submissions close march 11
Joel Wiramu Pauling
2005-03-01 21:34:19 UTC
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First off apologies for the off topic post... but I think this is
important enough.

The New Zealand patent act is currently in the final stages of draft,
public submissions.


The new patent act is an overhaul of the original 1953 act. Currently
neither Australian nor NZ offer any exclusions in regards to software.
This is a highly topical issue, and one may only look to the amount of
disgust and protest in the EU to realise that software patents are
indeed a very bad economic, legal, and social consequence for a
society.

Being that NZ is currently in the middle of reviewing it's legislation
and that there is no specific exemption applying to software patents
currently. (I.e software patents do and can in the future be protected
in NZ, forcing any competing expressions of those idea's to either
licence, or die in a court battle), it is the right time to write to
take some action.

Any publicity generated, encouraging a debate over the inappropriateness
of applying Patent law and protections to software is welcomed.


Copyright and Trade secret law, should be more than enough initial
protection for software companies, allowing them to monopolise and
prohibit specific implementations and expressions of ideas, but not the
idea's themselves as that's like saying a poet says the 'river runs
cold' in prose, and that poet now has monopoly over the idea of rivers
being cold. Arguably any software which is sufficiently complicated to
the point where it is not drawing on obvious FACT's of language and
math, can be protected simply by trade secret law because of it's
complexity. The combination of copyright and trade secret law is what
software companies traditionally have used to protect investments, this
obviously has worked well.

There are a number of other strong arguments against software patents,
this is only one. I encourage you to write to MP's on this issue as it
effects all industry's not just developers as the scope of software
patents tends to be very broad.

Oh free software exists because the idea's which large portfolio holders
are now trying to pass, are free knowledge developed through time.
Effectively allowing software patents is like telling the bully he can
beat up all the other kids because he's the biggest in the schoolyard.


Here are the relevant links for everyone. Baldwins has a good
delegaleesse'd version of the draft.


http://www.baldwins.com/ELibrary/BSCArticleArchive/Patents+Big+Day
+Out.htm

Actual Draft:

http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop/patentsreview/draftbill/index.html

IP law in NZ and AUS:

http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop.html

Public submissions close march 11.



Kind regards and thanks for listening to my rant.



Joel W



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Dave - Dave.net.nz
2005-03-01 21:56:02 UTC
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Joel Wiramu Pauling wrote:

>First off apologies for the off topic post... but I think this is
>important enough.
>
>

heh, I have some viagra that some here may be interested in, I think
that this is an important enough issue... lol
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Tortise
2005-03-01 22:08:40 UTC
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Hey thanks for your kewl post Joel

With respect, there is another side to this.

Filing patents gives you a little more bargaining power with the big boys.

I believe New Zealand dearly needs some more export revenue and a catch up on foreign standards of living that we used to enjoy.

Patents is one way to secure this with our good home grown kiwi ingenuity.

We have patents pending.

For example see out drag and drop software licensing system at http://www.cheqsoft.com/downloads/DragnDropLicensingCheqSoft.com.wmv

Also http://www.cheqsoft.com/mathsown.html

Should we be stopped with our initiatives? I don't think so, as in the end you benefit. (We might one day pay a lot of tax
here....etc)

Software patents are an opportunity you and I share. Why kill that? What sort of New Zealand do you want?

I respectfully suggest you see the opportunity this creates, embrace it, start writing and start filing!

Kind regards
David Hingston MB ChB MBA
Director
Chequers Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand.
http://www.cheqsoft.com

=> MathsOwn - World class
=> Break Reminder - strategic safety software
=> TimesOwn - the World's best clock
=> Clipboard Express Pro - drag n drop database saves serious time
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Subject: New Zealand Patent Act... Say no to software patents! Publicsubmissions close march 11


First off apologies for the off topic post... but I think this is
important enough.

The New Zealand patent act is currently in the final stages of draft,
public submissions.


The new patent act is an overhaul of the original 1953 act. Currently
neither Australian nor NZ offer any exclusions in regards to software.
This is a highly topical issue, and one may only look to the amount of
disgust and protest in the EU to realise that software patents are
indeed a very bad economic, legal, and social consequence for a
society.

Being that NZ is currently in the middle of reviewing it's legislation
and that there is no specific exemption applying to software patents
currently. (I.e software patents do and can in the future be protected
in NZ, forcing any competing expressions of those idea's to either
licence, or die in a court battle), it is the right time to write to
take some action.

Any publicity generated, encouraging a debate over the inappropriateness
of applying Patent law and protections to software is welcomed.


Copyright and Trade secret law, should be more than enough initial
protection for software companies, allowing them to monopolise and
prohibit specific implementations and expressions of ideas, but not the
idea's themselves as that's like saying a poet says the 'river runs
cold' in prose, and that poet now has monopoly over the idea of rivers
being cold. Arguably any software which is sufficiently complicated to
the point where it is not drawing on obvious FACT's of language and
math, can be protected simply by trade secret law because of it's
complexity. The combination of copyright and trade secret law is what
software companies traditionally have used to protect investments, this
obviously has worked well.

There are a number of other strong arguments against software patents,
this is only one. I encourage you to write to MP's on this issue as it
effects all industry's not just developers as the scope of software
patents tends to be very broad.

Oh free software exists because the idea's which large portfolio holders
are now trying to pass, are free knowledge developed through time.
Effectively allowing software patents is like telling the bully he can
beat up all the other kids because he's the biggest in the schoolyard.


Here are the relevant links for everyone. Baldwins has a good
delegaleesse'd version of the draft.


http://www.baldwins.com/ELibrary/BSCArticleArchive/Patents+Big+Day
+Out.htm

Actual Draft:

http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop/patentsreview/draftbill/index.html

IP law in NZ and AUS:

http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop.html

Public submissions close march 11.



Kind regards and thanks for listening to my rant.



Joel W



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Dan Langille
2005-03-01 22:40:14 UTC
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It's been dealt with. No further traffic necessary.
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Nathaniel D.
2005-03-01 22:45:01 UTC
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I think this is a perfect example of why patents on software shouldn't
be allowed. Any competent developer could implement this into a
licensing system within minutes. Why does it deserve a patent?

Regards,
Nathaniel


Tortise wrote:

>Hey thanks for your kewl post Joel
>
>With respect, there is another side to this.
>
>Filing patents gives you a little more bargaining power with the big boys.
>
>I believe New Zealand dearly needs some more export revenue and a catch up on foreign standards of living that we used to enjoy.
>
>Patents is one way to secure this with our good home grown kiwi ingenuity.
>
>We have patents pending.
>
>For example see out drag and drop software licensing system at http://www.cheqsoft.com/downloads/DragnDropLicensingCheqSoft.com.wmv
>
>Also http://www.cheqsoft.com/mathsown.html
>
>Should we be stopped with our initiatives? I don't think so, as in the end you benefit. (We might one day pay a lot of tax
>here....etc)
>
>Software patents are an opportunity you and I share. Why kill that? What sort of New Zealand do you want?
>
>I respectfully suggest you see the opportunity this creates, embrace it, start writing and start filing!
>
>Kind regards
>David Hingston MB ChB MBA
>Director
>Chequers Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand.
>http://www.cheqsoft.com
>
>=> MathsOwn - World class
>=> Break Reminder - strategic safety software
>=> TimesOwn - the World's best clock
>=> Clipboard Express Pro - drag n drop database saves serious time
>____________________________________________________________
>
>The information in this email and in any attachment (s) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the named
>addressee's) or if you receive this email in error then any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in
>it is strictly prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by return email and then delete the message from your computer.
>Thank you for your assistance.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joel Wiramu Pauling
>To: ***@lists.unixathome.org
>Cc: ***@lists.unixathome.org
>Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 10:34 AM
>Subject: New Zealand Patent Act... Say no to software patents! Publicsubmissions close march 11
>
>
>First off apologies for the off topic post... but I think this is
>important enough.
>
>The New Zealand patent act is currently in the final stages of draft,
>public submissions.
>
>
>The new patent act is an overhaul of the original 1953 act. Currently
>neither Australian nor NZ offer any exclusions in regards to software.
>This is a highly topical issue, and one may only look to the amount of
>disgust and protest in the EU to realise that software patents are
>indeed a very bad economic, legal, and social consequence for a
>society.
>
>Being that NZ is currently in the middle of reviewing it's legislation
>and that there is no specific exemption applying to software patents
>currently. (I.e software patents do and can in the future be protected
>in NZ, forcing any competing expressions of those idea's to either
>licence, or die in a court battle), it is the right time to write to
>take some action.
>
>Any publicity generated, encouraging a debate over the inappropriateness
>of applying Patent law and protections to software is welcomed.
>
>
>Copyright and Trade secret law, should be more than enough initial
>protection for software companies, allowing them to monopolise and
>prohibit specific implementations and expressions of ideas, but not the
>idea's themselves as that's like saying a poet says the 'river runs
>cold' in prose, and that poet now has monopoly over the idea of rivers
>being cold. Arguably any software which is sufficiently complicated to
>the point where it is not drawing on obvious FACT's of language and
>math, can be protected simply by trade secret law because of it's
>complexity. The combination of copyright and trade secret law is what
>software companies traditionally have used to protect investments, this
>obviously has worked well.
>
>There are a number of other strong arguments against software patents,
>this is only one. I encourage you to write to MP's on this issue as it
>effects all industry's not just developers as the scope of software
>patents tends to be very broad.
>
>Oh free software exists because the idea's which large portfolio holders
>are now trying to pass, are free knowledge developed through time.
>Effectively allowing software patents is like telling the bully he can
>beat up all the other kids because he's the biggest in the schoolyard.
>
>
>Here are the relevant links for everyone. Baldwins has a good
>delegaleesse'd version of the draft.
>
>
>http://www.baldwins.com/ELibrary/BSCArticleArchive/Patents+Big+Day
>+Out.htm
>
>Actual Draft:
>
>http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop/patentsreview/draftbill/index.html
>
>IP law in NZ and AUS:
>
>http://www.med.govt.nz/buslt/int_prop.html
>
>Public submissions close march 11.
>
>
>
>Kind regards and thanks for listening to my rant.
>
>
>
>Joel W
>
>
>
>
>


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