What's Broadband anyway

[Bart Hanson]

On 13/09/2004, at 10:49 AM, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> Does anyone other than Telecom really consider 256/128 broadband?

The new UBS specification that is being held up as the "answer" to
Local Loop Unbundling, especially by some ISPs like orcon.net.nz who
are calling it broadband.
It is 7x faster than dialup

hey... if I can get 256k unlimited 24/7 and a fixed IP for $49.95 p/m
residential who am I to argue?
OK it's still far too complicated to understand the subtleties of the
various offerings etc. but for now it seems like the best option.

As for the proposed "Churn" charge which Telecom wants to charge people
to stop them changing providers on a whim, I say get F*** If I see a
cheaper-Better plan I'll do not want to be penalised for changing from
an existing one.
As it is I am giving up Telstra Cable which runs outside my door as
Telstra do not offer flat rate nor 256k nor fixed IP so I'm off back to
a Telecom line thanks very much!


Bart Hanson
***@paradise.net.nz

(sorry Dave, replied directly to you instead of list 1st try.)

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[Ross Dawson]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:19:19 +1200, you wrote:

>
>On 13/09/2004, at 10:49 AM, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
>> Does anyone other than Telecom really consider 256/128 broadband?
>
>The new UBS specification that is being held up as the "answer" to
>Local Loop Unbundling, especially by some ISPs like orcon.net.nz who
>are calling it broadband.
>It is 7x faster than dialup
>
>hey... if I can get 256k unlimited 24/7 and a fixed IP for $49.95 p/m
>residential who am I to argue?
>OK it's still far too complicated to understand the subtleties of the
>various offerings etc. but for now it seems like the best option.
>
>As for the proposed "Churn" charge which Telecom wants to charge people
>to stop them changing providers on a whim, I say get F*** If I see a
>cheaper-Better plan I'll do not want to be penalised for changing from
>an existing one.
>As it is I am giving up Telstra Cable which runs outside my door as
>Telstra do not offer flat rate nor 256k nor fixed IP so I'm off back to
>a Telecom line thanks very much!

Well I am on Telstra Cable, it is true that it's not flat rate, but I
am getting 256kbps, and have a fixed ip address. I also have other
options up to 2mbps (possibly more), for what would be if I could
aford it an attractive rate both in terms of monthly cost and data
charges.
>
>
>Bart Hanson
>***@paradise.net.nz
>
>(sorry Dave, replied directly to you instead of list 1st try.)


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[b***@paradise.net.nz]

> >On 13/09/2004, at 10:49 AM, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> >> Does anyone other than Telecom really consider 256/128 broadband?
> >
***@paradise.net.nz wrote:
> >As it is I am giving up Telstra Cable which runs outside my door as
> >Telstra do not offer flat rate nor 256k nor fixed IP so I'm off back to
> >a Telecom line thanks very much!

Quoting Ross Dawson <***@paradise.net.nz>:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:19:19 +1200, you wrote:
>
> >
> Well I am on Telstra Cable, it is true that it's not flat rate, but I
> am getting 256kbps, and have a fixed ip address. I also have other
> options up to 2mbps (possibly more), for what would be if I could
> aford it an attractive rate both in terms of monthly cost and data
> charges.

You prolly don't listen to internet radio stations or download much. I get the feeling I would go
over 10 Gb easily. Who out there is on a 10 Gb plan a wishes they had more?
I guess several will be tempted to reply, "I have 10 Gb and it's plenty" but I want to know if there
are are any users frustrated with a 10 gb limit.
Oh... a correction TelstraClear do supply a Static IP with their cable service, it's part of the whole
deal with a cable modem etc.

Bart Hanson.
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[Jamie Walker]

On 15/09/2004, at 4:13 PM, ***@paradise.net.nz wrote:

> I guess several will be tempted to reply, "I have 10 Gb and it's
> plenty" but I want to know if there
> are are any users frustrated with a 10 gb limit.

I was unhappy about it when going over it would mean paying by the
megabyte for the excess, but now that it just means slowing down for
the rest of the billing cycle, I don't mind so much. I've never really
come close to exceeding 10GB under either arrangement, and that's with
a couple of flatmates to help me. The difference is now I don't need to
be so paranoid.

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[David Mill]

I have a "pretty quick" internet connection at home with no monthly traffic
cap (perk of the job).

I typically move between 500megs and 2 gigs of International traffic per
month. My domestic useage normally sits in a similar range.

I don't watch what I download at all, and generally download whatever I feel
I need to download.

So yes, I think I'm in the group that wouldn't be frustrated with a 10 gig
cap, especially if there is no financial penalty for going over this cap.

Dave

Jamie Walker wrote:
> On 15/09/2004, at 4:13 PM, ***@paradise.net.nz wrote:
>
>> I guess several will be tempted to reply, "I have 10 Gb and it's
>> plenty" but I want to know if there are are any users frustrated with
>> a 10 gb limit.
>
> I was unhappy about it when going over it would mean paying by the
> megabyte for the excess, but now that it just means slowing down for
> the rest of the billing cycle, I don't mind so much. I've never
> really come close to exceeding 10GB under either arrangement, and
> that's with a couple of flatmates to help me. The difference is now I
> don't need to be so paranoid.
>
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[Richard Naylor]

At 04:13 p.m. 15/09/2004 +1200, ***@paradise.net.nz wrote:
> > >On 13/09/2004, at 10:49 AM, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> > >> Does anyone other than Telecom really consider 256/128 broadband?
> > >

no

>You prolly don't listen to internet radio stations or download much. I get
>the feeling I would go
>over 10 Gb easily. Who out there is on a 10 Gb plan a wishes they had more?
>I guess several will be tempted to reply, "I have 10 Gb and it's plenty"
>but I want to know if there
>are are any users frustrated with a 10 gb limit.

yes - I have access to some very nice video streams at 2mbps (DVD quality).
They use 720 MBytes per hour. I can watch them on my Jetstream link but
only for a few minute$.

When I encode video I run at 13GBytes per hour. Then process it and want to
shift it to my servers in town. On a non-day I carry a 20GB disk in my van.
On an average day its 60GB, on busy days its a 300GB disk. Earlier in the
year we did the processing for 26 x 1/2 hr TV shows. The disks were busy. A
2 day conference recorded is 250 to 300GB.

We recently downloaded 6GB of video from Aust for processing.......nothing
unusual......

Lack of broadband certainly *does* hold business back. I'd really prefer to
have the processing machines just writing to the disks in town.

rich


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[Regan Murphy]

>We recently downloaded 6GB of video from Aust for
>processing.......nothing unusual......
>
>Lack of broadband certainly *does* hold business back.
>I'd really prefer to have the processing machines just
>writing to the disks in town.
>
>rich

Well I sent nearly 20 Gigs over the internet last night in
an internet backup of a server. This sort of service might
be feasible and cost effective for several business's and
individuals if they did not have to pay so much to transfer
the data. Imagine paying for that data at 0.20c per mb.
Then imagine doing that at 128kbps or 256kbps. Ouch.

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[LEE Tet Yoon]

At 06:05 p.m. 15/09/2004, you wrote:
>Well I sent nearly 20 Gigs over the internet last night in
>an internet backup of a server. This sort of service might
>be feasible and cost effective for several business's and
>individuals if they did not have to pay so much to transfer
>the data. Imagine paying for that data at 0.20c per mb.
>Then imagine doing that at 128kbps or 256kbps. Ouch.

This reminds me of those ads I hear on the radio about Internet backup solutions. What they never seem to mention
is how much more most people will have to pay in data charges...

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[Tortise]

Hi
Our web address won't resolve to our static IP and we cannot traceroute in
or out correctly.
5 long phone calls later.....(Sound familiar anyone?) and "we will escalate
this to our complex problems..."
Is anyone else having problems with Internet accessing their Paradise static
IP's?
Kind regards
David Hingston
Chequers Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand.
http://www.cheqsoft.com
http://www.breakreminder.com



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[Dan Clark]

Dude, that sounds more like a DNS problem on your part? Have you checked
your DNS record is actually pointing to the correct IP?

Kind Regards
Dan Clark


Tortise wrote:

>Hi
>Our web address won't resolve to our static IP and we cannot traceroute in
>or out correctly.
>5 long phone calls later.....(Sound familiar anyone?) and "we will escalate
>this to our complex problems..."
>Is anyone else having problems with Internet accessing their Paradise static
>IP's?
>Kind regards
>David Hingston
>Chequers Software Ltd
>Wellington, New Zealand.
>http://www.cheqsoft.com
>http://www.breakreminder.com
>
>
>
>
>

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[David Mill]

--- 203.79.82.182 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
***@cellardoor:~$ traceroute 203.79.82.182
traceroute to 203.79.82.182 (203.79.82.182), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 hercules.inspire.net.nz (203.114.128.254) 1.927 ms 1.864 ms 1.669 ms
2 g9-0-972.u21.tar.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.217) 11.940 ms 5.974 ms
6.157 ms
3 fa7-4-1042.bertha.tce.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.42) 5.795 ms 5.025
ms 6.124 ms
4 fe0-0-0.cassandra.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.3) 6.694 ms 6.164 ms
5.908 ms
5 ipnet.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.157) 7.778 ms 8.298 ms 7.722
ms
6 kelly.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.158) 7.713 ms 7.914 ms 8.012
ms
7 ipnet.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.157) 9.231 ms 10.183 ms
8.806 ms
8 kelly.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.158) 11.013 ms 9.213 ms
8.852 ms
9 ipnet.ipnet2.paradise.net.nz (203.96.155.157) 10.414 ms 11.144 ms
11.088 ms

That kind of looping with TelstraClear normally means your Cable connection
is disconnected AFAIK.

Dave

Dan Clark wrote:
> Dude, that sounds more like a DNS problem on your part? Have you
> checked your DNS record is actually pointing to the correct IP?
>
> Kind Regards
> Dan Clark
>
>
> Tortise wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Our web address won't resolve to our static IP and we cannot
>> traceroute in or out correctly. 5 long phone calls later.....(Sound
>> familiar anyone?) and "we will escalate this to our complex
>> problems..."
>> Is anyone else having problems with Internet accessing their
>> Paradise static IP's? Kind regards
>> David Hingston
>> Chequers Software Ltd
>> Wellington, New Zealand.
>> http://www.cheqsoft.com
>> http://www.breakreminder.com

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